Hobby Lobby May Close All Stores In 41 States Due To Obamacare Abortion Mandate

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A letter from David Green, CEO/Founder to the American public.

When my family and I started our company 40 years ago, we were working out of a garage on a $600 bank loan, assembling miniature picture frames. Our first retail store wasn’t much bigger than most people’s living rooms, but we had faith that we would succeed if we lived and worked according to God’s word.

From there, Hobby Lobby has become one of the  nation’s largest arts and crafts retailers, with more than 500 locations in 41 states. Our children grew up into fine business leaders, and today we run Hobby Lobby together, as a family.

We’re Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I’ve always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God’s laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money. And that’s what we’ve tried to do. We close early so our employees can see their families at night. We keep our stores closed on Sundays, one of the week’s biggest shopping days, so that our workers and their families can enjoy a day of rest.

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Obama’s appetite to shed the blood of helpless, innocent babies is insatiable.

We believe that it is by God’s grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and he has blessed us and our employees. We’ve not only added jobs in a weak economy, we’ve raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at  80% above minimum wage. But now, our government threatens to change all of that.

A new government healthcare mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don’t pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don’t cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs.

It goes against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one. If we refuse to comply, we could face $1.3 million PER DAY in government fines.

Our government threatens to fine job creators in a bad economy.
Our government threatens to fine a company that’s raised wages four years running.
Our government threatens to fine a family for running its business according to its beliefs.  It’s not right. I know people will say we ought to follow the  rules; that it’s the same for everybody. But that’s not true.

The government has exempted thousands of companies from this mandate, for reasons of convenience or cost.  But it won’t exempt them for reasons of religious belief.

So, Hobby Lobby and my family are forced to make a choice. With great reluctance, we filed a lawsuit today, represented by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, asking a federal court to stop this mandate before it hurts our business. We don’t like to go running into court, but we no longer have a choice. We believe people are more important than the bottom line and that honoring God is more important than turning a profit.

My family has lived the American dream. We want to continue growing our company and providing great jobs for thousands of employees, but the government is  going to make that much more difficult.

The government is forcing us to choose between following our faith and following the law.  I say that’s a choice no American and no American business should have to make. The government cannot force you to follow laws that go against your fundamental religious belief. They have exempted thousands of companies but will not except Christian organizations including the Catholic church.

Since you will not see this in the liberal media, please pass this on to all your contacts.

Sincerely,
David Green
CEO and Founder of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.

As published in USA Today by David Green

RELATED STORY: Obama Brags That Taxpayer-Funded Abortion Will Never Stop In America

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          Marianne Bernard

          Mike, I think it is more than Obama’s lack of leadership. I believe that he has an agenda to destroy this nation. What baffles me is that as America is imploding from within, there are still so many “sheeple” blinded to what he is doing!

  1. πίστις

    This is so sad…and so sickening. The U.S. under Obama just sickens me. Pray for Hobby Lobby…A great American Icon.

  2. Marianne Bernard

    I agree, Greg, I highly respect the Hobby Lobby family for standing for what is right and refusing to compromise those ideals. That is hard to find. I pray with all my heart that Obama will make the compromise so that thousands of jobs won’t be lost because of his agenda.

  3. TKL

    Hobby lobby will not be missed. Someone without silly Christian beliefs will fill the small void left by the exit of this company.

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      TKL, Speak for yourself! Many will miss Hobby Lobby – not to mention the thousands of people who depended on them for employment. All you are thinking about is yourself. SMALL void? “Silly Christian beliefs”? Shame on you. You may be alright with your view that abortion is a choice but the over 55 million babies that were killed matter to most people! You will be held in judgment for your beliefs but that is your right. However, you do not speak for most!

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  4. Sane Spirit

    Obviously they did not and are not closing since this letter is 18 months old. Hard to take the Greens seriously since over 80% of the product they sell is made in China (at government controlled factories) which as we all know has a state mandated abortion policy after 1 child.

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      Sane Spirit, the Greens will do what they say if forced to have their company pay for abortions through Obamacare. As of now it has not begun. Now you are really stretching your point by saying that China has forced abortions so don’t buy from them. That doesn’t mean that I am PAYING for the abortion if I buy something from China. Whether we buy from them or not, they have a one child policy. America has a policy of abortion on demand no matter what your age so that even young school girls can get an abortion without their parent’s approval. Should I not buy anything made in America? You lost that debate! If I had a business that required me to go against the laws of God and actually use my company funds to pay for the insurance that has abortion as a paid option, I also would shut down!

      You have a choice to make in this world, my friend. You have chosen the low road with your foolish arguments. That is your choice. And when you face God, you will see what your choice cost you.

      1. Stephen W

        I would like to peacefully contribute to this discussion. First of all, no disrespect to anyone’s religion or beliefs. If one chooses to believe that abortion is wrong, then they have every right to support that belief. This being said, I want to point out ‘sane spirit’s’ statement that over 80% of your products are made in China in conditions that are most likely inhumane and wrong. So, you’re going to let your company go out of business because of a law Obama made, but see no large issue with your current sweatshop treatment in China (and their laws). I understand we can’t all be perfect. I am extremely environmentally conscious but I have thrown out water bottles before. So, I DO understand you taking a stance on your values. But the issue is, why take such a radical stance on abortion, but not the humanity of the poor workers making your products? When you become to involved in one thing, you become close minded to the opportunities at hand. For example- maybe keeping your company in business with Obama’s laws but working to bring your production to America might be a more ‘Christian’ thing to do. After all- closing your store will put so many people out of work, in America and China. God wouldn’t want that.

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          Stephen W, I am answered Sane’s sweatshop excuse but I will answer your also. I will bet that if I came to your house I would find a whole lot of things that came from China. I do not approve of their sweatshops and I certainly don’t condone a lot of things about China including the inequity of trade that we have with them. How do you like the fact that America owes so much money to China that we can never repay it? Are you happy about that? Why aren’t you talking out about that? The truth is that there is a lot of wrong with the world. Unfortunately, people in this country are looking for deals. Products imported from China and Mexico are cheaper than made here. Never mind Hobby Lobby, a very large number of high end department stores to low end mom and pop stores buy from China because it’s cheaper! Look where your shoes were made. Look through your clothing. Look at your pet food. Look at your home products. You will find in the majority of cases that China had some input. With that said, I don’t have to like that but you tell me how you are going to stop American companies from doing their work in China. Let me know when you get an answer. With all that said, do you equate the fact that Hobby Lobby buys items that are made in China to giving in to faith issues where the “morning after” bill is doled out through healthcare just so people can have sex irresponsibly? And you don’t know the outcome of what that pill can do as I explained in my last comment. You are okay with abortion? Then you and I are different teams biblically and spiritually. If I have a business which provides hospitalization, why do I have to PAY for an employee to get the morning after pill when I believe that it is an affront to the will of God? If you don’t agree with me, that is your choice. Make it and live with it. But don’t push your beliefs on me and tell me I have to pay for something YOU believe in but that I don’t. If you believe so much in it, you pay for your own morning after pill. I am sick and tired of having to pay for lifestyles that are bringing down this nation in its values and morals. You aren’t worried about stores closing and people losing their jobs. You are more interested in making your point…which you didn’t. You didn’t address the issue, Stephen, why would Hobby Lobby or any other Christian based company have to pay for morning after pills, abortions or any other abominable acts when it goes against their Christian faith? You should be worried more that America is supposed to be the land of the free where you have no impediment to your faith. That is not what is happening! Believe it or not, the truth doesn’t change. People do.

          1. Sarah

            We live in a nation with freedom, but we only have those freedoms until they impede on the freedom of others, you are free to believe whatever you want and so is everyone else in the country. You may not believe that abortions and contraceptives are ok and you are free to do so and everyone else is free to believe otherwise if they so desire. Now, you refuse to cover healthcare for those who believe otherwise, therefore taking away their freedoms to do as they wish. Everyone is making a big deal about hurting christian feelings with all these laws, but are any other religions complaining? Not that I’ve seen. Not everything can fit your agenda. You have the right to believe in christianity but not everybody fits that bill. Everyone is trying to make everything christian friendly yet the entire country isn’t christian. There are laws that other religions don’t like as well, but they are followed none the less. why should we bend you your will when all you do is condemn anyone who thinks different? On another note: Some people NEED abortions, i have a friend who was raped and not physically able to carry the child without killing herself, would you deny her the rest of her life for a choice she did not make? You don’t need to get the abortion or contraceptive yourself, if you don’t believe in it thats fine. Some may need or want it. The whole world isn’t christian and you can’t expect everything to be centered around you. Everyone has to pay for things they don’t like/approve of why should you be any different?

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              Sarah, First of all, tell me where in the Constitution you have a right to have paid healthcare? I must have missed that one. That is not a freedom under the constitution. If you work, the business usually supplies the healthcare. All I am saying is that if I own the business, why do I have to compromise my beliefs and pay for something that I believe goes against the ways of the God I serve? What other religions are you talking about that have strong feelings against abortion but just go along with it? Tell me one. I don’t see you mentioning any concern that those of the Muslim faith are exempted from this healthcare law. Do you have a problem with that, Sarah? You can do what you want and get abortions and morning after pills and whatever you want. I just don’t want to pay for it. Do you understand what I am saying? You want me to compromise my faith if I own a business and pay for your sin. I am with Hobby Lobby and I would close down too if I had to make that choice. Shame on you for wanting to usurp the real freedoms of people by saying in effect that I have to do what you think is okay despite my beliefs. Hobby Lobby’s pay scale is better than most businesses. They cover their employees with good health insurance and they run a great business. That is not enough for you. YOU feel they should put out their money to pay for what you want despite the fact that it opposes their Christian beliefs. You are an example of the self-centered people who feel they are entitled to whatever they want. I have no idea what you are referring to when you say everyone makes a deal about hurting a Christian’s feelings? Really? Where do you get that? Have you read anything that I have written? Christianity is under attack all through this country and in other nations. Give me an example of what you mean when you say “everyone is trying to make everything Christian friendly? What are you talking about??

              If you believe in abortion and you think it is okay to kill unborn babies……then do it! What does that have to do with my agenda? I just don’t want to pay for your abortion. Because YOU think I should now makes it YOUR agenda! Sin is in this world. I can’t stop the evil from continuing but I can speak for the truth. What you believe is YOUR choice and you will face God one day – you will not face me.

              By the way, no one disputes a need for an emergency abortion to save the life of the mother. That is covered under regular healthcare anyway so why bring that up? As for rape, should the innocent child die because of an evil they had nothing to do with? The child could be given up for adoption if the person felt it would hold back their life to keep it. Nothing wrong with that. You said everything can’t be centered around me. So true. I am not asking you to pay for my abortion or the morning after pill. I am not infringing on you for anything. YOU are the one expecting me to follow what you want. So I can say to you, everything does not center around you. If you want an abortion, pay for it yourself! After all as you say, everyone has to pay for things they don’t like so let’s start with you.

              I have no problem with contraception. I never said I did. However, abortion kills! If you don’t believe it you are believing a lie! Once again, that is your choice.

              You said you are okay with Hobby Lobby closing its doors as it faces adversity. Obviously you are again thinking of yourself and not the impact that will have on others. Hobby Lobby will be forced to close in order to obey God and not man. But, I guess as long as your abortion is paid for, I assume you are okay with that.

          2. Sarah

            last second thought i forgot to add: If they choose to close their doors that is what they will do, when faced with adversity we must do what we think is right. Personally if something offends you or you don’t like it. just walk away.

  5. Daniel Rooney

    “And when you face God, you will see what your choice cost you.”
    Matthew 7
    [ Judging Others ] “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? …
    Hobby Lobby will not choose to close stores, They make way to much money.
    ” A new government healthcare mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance”. The pill does nothing more than a birth control pill, It work by preventing ovulation and fertilisation and also by altering the lining of the womb, depending on which stage of the menstrual cycle the woman is at. Abortion is killing a live fetus

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      Daniel Rooney, I am always amazed at how few people take the time to study Scripture. In this case, you did what a lot of people do, take the verse in Matthew and cut if off to fit your needs instead of gleaning the truth of what Christ was saying. Jesus was talking to hypocrites who condemned others when they did the same thing. The verse finishes by Jesus saying to “take the log out of your own eyes, AND THEN YOU WILL SEE CLEARLY TO TAKE THE SPECK OUT OF YOUR BROTHER’S EYE”. The bible tells believers to judge rightly (John 7:24) We don’t judge from our own opinion but by the word of God which is very clear that God knows the unformed child. He is the one who created the unborn child and abortion is an abomination to him. Obamacare does not just provide birth control, Daniel, it provides for abortion on demand. Am I to assume that you are okay with that?

      In 2 Timothy 3, the Apostle Paul, speaking through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit speaks of godlessness in the end days. He say that many will have a “form of godliness but deny its power. Have nothing to do with them.” Tell me, Daniel, how to you make the decision to have nothing to do with the unrighteous unless you make the judgment that they are in fact living such a life? You judge with right judgment based on Scripture.

      The sad part about people like you is that you allow evil to grow because you “don’t want to judge!”. Get with it, man! The kingdom of God is at hand and many will perish. Open up your mouth and speak out for truth or you are no better than they that do evil! Would you have been one of the many in Germany that didn’t want to “judge” Hitler as he tortured and killed millions of innocent Jews and others?????

      What a shame that everyone wants to spout off their own opinion like you just did, Daniel. In doing so, you just judged me! Unfortunately for you, my words are backed up in Scripture and I didn’t take just part of a verse out and change it to fit my agenda. You need to study the word of God so you can make right judgments.

      1. Stephen

        Marianne-
        I am choosing to respond to multiple comments, because these discussions are unfortunately been handled incorrectly. I’ve grown up Catholic my whole life and was always taught my whole life that God does not judge and God accepts everyone. (I do not have specific Bible quotes to support this as you have been frequently using, but I’m sure you know this information to be true). That being said, who is God to condemn, judge, or let any of us to ‘perish.’ Marianne, who is God to strike down anyone posting in this discussion, anyone getting an abortion, using the morning after pill, etc? I’ve always been taught that God accepts everyone and I believe, that if there is an afterlife, sinner or not, we will all go to heaven if we accept it when we see him.

        That being said, I find it disheartening to see a Christian woman like yourself striking down the men and women commenting on this, our president and women. I have the utmost respect for you and your career as a credible journalist and one who as we can all see- definitely has a power of influence. Therefore, I would find it more honorable to see you speaking more respectfully to those in these discussions. I do understand these conversations are fueled by passion, opinion, fact, scripture, etc.; however, how would God want these discussions to go?

        My final point in this discussion is that with all good comes evil. We do not know good without evil. So- for this discussion, I am willing to accept your belief that abortions are killing innocent humans and that is wrong. I respect and even agree with that. However, as God would want, let us not look and focus on the stark evil of this law, but the good. Do you know, it is a fact that around 3% of the Planned Parenthood health services completed are abortions? Do you also know that it is a fact that the morning-after pill does not cause abortions? It prevents pregnancy from happening in the first place. It stops ovulation and inhibits the egg from implanting in the uterine lining. It does not tinker with an embryo that has already implanted. It does not abort a fetus.

        So here, we see evil- yes government will fund abortions. But, it also funds SO much more. The knowledge, education, and health that these programs bring to women (many of whom are far out of your demographic of money, education and knowledge to deal with sexual health issues) far exceeds the evil in this situation. I could even say the same about Hobby Lobby. Hobby Lobby, as I read in this article has excellent wages for Americans, has amazing workplace values and truly stands as a model for other companies in a country where this is needed. However, with that good, comes some evil- the outsourcing of your products to China where they are produced at cheap rates in inhumane causes. (and I have read about these to be certain they are true).

        Jesus was an optimist. Even as he was being crucified did he look to the good of his situation. I believe he would do the same today. I do understand the need to take an actionable stance on something. And yes, yourself and hobby lobby are doing just such that! Maybe by staying in business and preaching your values on social media, etc. we can still keep a successful, honest business running and potential influence others to not receive abortions. Let’s look at it like that, maybe? Just because we can legally get abortions, it does not mean people will.

        So in conclusion, let us not speak poorly of each other, of other women who may have been raped and do not wish to suffer, for young girls who have developed sexual diseases and have no education or money to handle their situation, to women who may have sinned but want to turn their lives around and need the government to do so. For these reasons, I respect you, Marianne, and all others involved in this situation for our country. I wish nothing but the utmost respect for you and everyone else. I am looking forward to an informed, respectful response, as I find this conversation interesting and very important for our society today.

        Regards,
        Stephen

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          Stephen,

          First of all, I was raised Catholic for most of my life and while I currently disagree with their doctrine, I can tell you that you were never taught in Catholicism that God doesn’t judge! And no Catholic Catechism teaches that we will all go to heaven! That heresy is called Universalism. In fact, all through your comment, I honestly can say I have never seen such heresy against the truth of Jesus Christ. My friend, I am not speaking disrespectfully to anyone. The bible tells us to warn our brothers and sister and that if they listen, they will have been saved from the fire. That is all I am doing. I get a lot of people misquoting Scripture and it is obvious that they have not read the bible! It is God’s word so why have they not read his word? My opinion doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is what God’s says and he has it all done in the bible. How you can say that God doesn’t judge just shows me that you do not read the bible because it is all through the bible how God judged people and nations and took them down and destroyed nations and brought the flood upon this earth, just to name a few. We also read in Revelation how Christ is coming back to judge the world. If you think that you can die and believe Christ once you see him, you have bought into the biggest lie of all. Your chance to repent and surrender to Christ is now or face the consequence. That is not my opinion, it is in Scripture. Read about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man was sent to the place of torment because of his evil life which did not include God. Where was his second chance? Jesus himself said that many will come to him and say, “Lord, Lord” but that he will say, “Be gone, I never knew you”. Why is that Stephen? The people Jesus was speaking of did good works and did miracles in his name and cast out demons in his name. Why weren’t they saved? It is because they were not surrendered to Christ. He was not their Lord and Savior. They thought works would save them. They were wrong…eternally wrong! I don’t want you to believe me on this matter, Stephen, I pray that you will open your bible and find out for yourself!

          I have no idea what point you were trying to make about agreeing that abortions are murder and wrong but that God wants us to look not at the evil of abortions but about the good?? Where do you get that and what do you mean? And you are going to commend Planned Parenthood? I don’t know where you get your facts but just in the year 2009, there were 910 lives terminated per day–or about 38 per hour, or one every 95 seconds. Are you kidding me, Stephen? Are you okay with that? The sad part is that those abortions were at least in part funded by our taxes! We killed 332,278 God-created children just in 2009!! Makes me sick that people think that is a good choice for women!! Please don’t commend Planned Parenthood to me!

          Jesus was an optimist? You can be optimistic all you want but there is NOTHING good in sin! It is rebellion against a holy God. Jesus didn’t just look away at the evil of sin while he was on this earth. He rebuked the Pharisees and called them “white-washed tombs”. In essence he said they were dead men walking. He offended everyone, Stephen, and that is why they killed him! Jesus came to earth because he loved us KNOWING that most would reject him. Jesus himself said that wide is the road that leads to destruction and many are on it. Small is the gate, narrow is the road that leads to life and FEW find it! Did you hear that, Stephen? FEW find it. That means more are going to be in hell than those who will follow Christ and be in heaven. This world is a dark place and a lie has replaced the truth. You need to seek Christ out while you can, my friend, so that you can be assured of living with Christ forever. This may be your only chance. When you say let’s not speak poorly of one another, you are making a broad statement. If I disagree with you and try to reason with you through God’s word, is that speaking poorly of you? If I truly loved you as myself, I would want you to know the truth and be saved. Whether you believe me or not is your decision. If you loved your children you would want them to have the best. For that reason you would turn them from evil and show them the error of making bad choices. You would want good for them but you must teach them. Christ came to this earth and showed us his way. He taught us how to live. He rebuked evil, he condemned sin but with his death, he paid the price so that we could have power to resist sin and to be guided by his Holy Spirit.

          My final words to you, Stephen, is something from the bible. Proverbs 16:25 tells us: There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death If something doesn’t line up with God’s word, it is NOT truth. Never try to justify sin, Stephen. When you do, you are doing the devil’s work. If you have Christ in your heart, speak the truth. Read his word and see what he has to say about what is happening today. I pray that you will.

          1. Wulfrano Ruiz Sainz

            Dear Marianne. Stephen was brought up not as a Catholic but as a Montinian (follower of Paul VI). Montinians believe that God is not just. They should read the Flood in Noah’s time and the coming events already foretold in the Apocalypse.

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              Wulfrano, I don’t know where Stephen was getting his information but is sure differed from the teachings I received when I was Catholic. I pray he checks out the bible and sees that his kind of thinking will not lead to victory.

              1. Wulfrano Ruiz Sainz

                Marianne has said: “Wulfrano, I don’t know where Stephen was getting his information but is sure differed from the teachings I received when I was Catholic. I pray he checks out the bible and sees that his kind of thinking will not lead to victory.”

                Dear Marianne. Stephen is a Montinian. He thinks like one. In the 1960s Paul VI and Vatican Council II changed catholic thinking to the point that it became anti-Syllabus. That is, contrary to traditional catholic thinking of 2000 years. Thus, the Church stopped being catholic and is now apostate. Stephen is a good example of that.

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          2. Stephen W.

            My apologies to the stark offense Marianne and Wulfrano. When I said ‘let’s not speak poorly of each other’ completely think you are allowed to disagree with me. Differences in opinion are perfectly normal. Maybe I should have rephrased myself. The tone and demeanor that you write in is personally offensive, degrading and quite rude. I believe (I may be wrong) that although what I wrote may have been ‘false’ or in disagreement with you, but at least it was respectful, unlike your response. I apologize for the stir.

            I do not believe I am doing the devil’s work, but hey, we all believe different things.

            I understand your passion towards abortion, but something about the way these discussions and usage of terms like “devil’s work” seem a bit off-putting to me. What if people here aren’t Catholic? Let’s disagree with them but in a way that doesn’t offend anyone or in a way that everyone can understand.

            *And to clear something up, we are BOTH right about our planned parenthood facts. The 332,278 abortions that planned parenthood had WERE 3% of their services completed.

            There are no harsh feelings here. I am glad I sparked a conversation.

            Thanks and best of luck to you,
            Stephen

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              Marianne Bernard

              Stephen, You are taking my disagreement as being venomous when I am simply trying to clarify my point. I realize I am passionate about what I believe based on my Christian faith but I have not been rude. I am merely stating my point and allowing everyone here to do the same. You clearly made your point and I made mine. How is that offensive? What tone of mine is degrading? I don’t care if someone is Catholic. I don’t preach religion just a relationship to Christ. I was merely pointing out the statement about Catholicism which was not true. I was raised in Catholic schools so I don’t think anyone should misrepresent a religion even when if fact they say they are Catholic! You pointed out to me in one of your comments that “God wouldn’t want that” referring to Hobby Lobby closing. I found that amazing because I truly think God would want you to honor him rather than do something offensive by paying for benefits that go against what we believe to be his ways. I don’t understand why you can’t get the point I am making. If you want abortions then go get one. If you want the morning after pill, go buy it. My only point is that since the Green family feels that it goes against their religious beliefs, why should they have to pay for it? Other religions are accommodated, Stephen, and you know that to be true. Why is Christianity singled out as an intolerant religion that everyone can mock? You can live as you want to and make your own choices. Just don’t make me pay for them! I don’t see anyone complaining that radical Islamists behead homosexuals. Is that intolerant enough for you.

              Once again, about Planned Parenthood, I don’t care about the 3% you talk about with them doing abortions. Are you saying that the 332,278 babies killed that year is okay because the percentage of what they do is only 3%??? I just don’t understand your reasoning, Stephen. I don’t get you at all. It is not about both of us being right. It is about 1 child being killed every 95 seconds! Go put a percentage on that!

              By the way, thought you might like to read something on their 3%

              “To arrive at that 3 percent figure, Planned Parenthood does some fudging and misdirection. Planned Parenthood depreciates the role abortion plays by defining its “services” in such a way that it avoids accounting for their time and expense. A single pregnancy test is designated by Planned Parenthood as a “service” and thus given equal weight to a far more time-consuming and expensive surgical abortion procedure, another Planned Parenthood “service.” Likewise, each pack of birth control pills is considered a service and carries the same weight in the calculation as an abortion. Using this rubric, Planned Parenthood justifies the claim the President of Planned Parenthood, Cecile Richards, has made that abortion is, “a very small part of what we do.” [v]

              In terms of time, patients, and revenue, abortion is far more to Planned Parenthood than 3 percent. (And several recently unsealed “whistleblower” lawsuits call into question whether the 3 percent claim is true even under Planned Parenthood’s formula, as the lawsuits allege over-reporting of other “services.”[vi])”( from Lifenews.com)

          3. Patrice

            I, too, was raised catholic and spent 12 years in catholic schools. What Stephen reported about catholic teachings is a far cry from what I was taught. That being said, there was never any bible teaching, nor was the bible ever mentioned other than to have one in your home but don’t bother reading it the priests’ job is to do that, which of course they did not. Stephen does not know anything about scripture so he can not discussed biblical truths. It was only when I opened a bible and began reading that I realized how ignorant I was about the worth of God and that was the impetus for me to leave Catholicism and be ‘born again’ and realized my infant baptism meant nothing at all, but confessing with my mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord.

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              Patrice,

              You are exactly right about us not reading the bible as Catholics. In fact, when I went to school we were told not to read the bible because we might misinterpret it! I understand that but Stephen said he was taught that everyone is going to heaven and I know that wasn’t taught. In fact they said that if you missed Mass on Sunday and died the next morning you would go to hell because you had a mortal sin on your soul!! That is heresy, but at the time I thought it was true. I thank God for opening my eyes. In fact, I first started to read the bible to prove all those “born-again” people wrong and instead, MY eyes were unveiled to the truth asI saw myself as a sinner needing a Savior. I repented and God has been guiding my steps ever since. That is the power of God’s word!

              Thanks for commenting, Patrice.

  6. Rosie

    Shouldn’t people have a right to do what they want and I feel like when I read the letter,comments and responses that you are trying to shove Christianity down peoples throats.

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      Rosie, what are you talking about? I haven’t tried to shove anything down anyone’s throat. As I said many times, you make your own choices. However, Hobby Lobby is the one getting something shoved down their throat. If they take the bible as God’s word and understand that abortion is an abomination to God, WHY SHOULD THEY BE FORCED TO PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE FROM THEIR MONEY TO FUND ABORTIONS ON DEMAND? We who choose to believe the word of God are being forced to do things which go against our beliefs. Is that fair? If you choose to believe otherwise, so be it! You won’t face me when you die – you will face Jesus Christ. You can tell him that you didn’t think he was right about abortions and homosexuality and then face the consequence. It is your choice. It is always your choice. Believe what you want but don’t try to force me to pay for your sin! Abortion is sin. Hobby Lobby has a right NOT to pay for abortions. What don’t you understand???

      1. Erika

        Ms. Bernard,

        I agree Hobby Lobby should not be forced to pay and/or cover any procedure or medication that directly contradicts their religious beliefs–I don’t believe the general public would be so quick to dismiss the concerns of a Muslim or Jehovah’s Witness when it comes to religious absolutes. This is most likely due to the wide ranges of what is deemed acceptable behavior by self-proclaimed Christians (or the infamous, “this sin is not as bad as that one”). It’s unfortunate that those of little faith that still claim to follow the Lord had to ruin that for you. I, myself, know very little of the Scripture, and will not pretend to for fear of taking the Word out of context.
        However, I do know medicine, and would like to point out that Mr. Rooney (above) was correct in stating that the morning-after-pill is nothing more than a concentrated version of the hormonal birth control pill. Because hormonal birth control pills take a few days to build up in the system, this “emergency contraceptive” method can be used following unprotected sex to essentially skip the build-up period of hormones in the bloodstream, thereby ceasing ovulation immediately and for only a short period of time. If conception has already occurred prior to taking the morning-after-pill, the pregnancy will NOT be terminated. The only reason I stress this is because it seems, from reading the letter Mr. Green published, that he may have misinterpreted the true purpose of this medication, and perhaps would feel differently had he known its real uses and limitations.
        Furthermore, you have stated a few times that Obamacare forces its participants to fund abortions on demand, whereas this is not completely accurate. Obamacare allows for the individual to choose his/her own insurance company and plan that best suits their medical needs. Some of these plans DO cover a portion or all of elective abortion procedures. Not ALL of them do, but some. And each insurer in the exchange must offer at least one plan that excludes elective abortion coverage. As such, these plans that were not affordable or accessible to the uninsured individuals previously, now can be obtained by the general public should they so wish. Similarly, a person such as yourself or the Greens (if elective abortion insurance coverage was in fact a concern of theirs) would be able to purchase a plan that does NOT cover this procedure. I don’t believe that opting-in or out of coverage for actual abortive PROCEDURES were a concern of this family, though (as far as enrolling in the government-mandated healthcare program goes), but more the mandate of offering coverage for the emergency contraceptive measures that they have misinterpreted to be abortive, as well.
        Either way, I enjoy shopping at Hobby Lobby, and hope they choose to keep their doors open for the unforeseeable future.

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          Hi Erika

          I believe the issue here is whether a person or business should be mandated to buy into a healthcare package which compromises their Christian faith. Should we serve God or man? That seems to be the real choice here. I am well aware of the morning after pill and I know that it is not supposed to terminate pregnancy. However, although it has been said that it won’t do any harm, I truly believe that there is a possibility that it could damage the fetus. I don’t think all the tests are conclusive. There were many drugs on the market in the past that were tested and FDA approved and then ultimately harmed the babies as they were born without limbs and other defects. I am sure you will agree that has happened. The fact remains that a Christian business owner should NOT be forced to pay for drugs that go against his Christian beliefs and his moral conscience. Also, with Obama’s stance of abortion, I have no doubt that he will soon allow all abortions, including late term ones to be paid for by insurance. Check out his record on this matter! I have no idea why you are trying to mitigate the evil of this issue.

          Additionally, I find it noteworthy to say that certain religious sects, such as Muslims, will be exempt from having to adhere to Obamacare. It goes against their faith. Unfortunately, that right does not extend to those of the Christian faith. Can you not see the bias here? My friend, you seem like an intelligent woman and you should be able to reason out the truth here. If you like Hobby Lobby, and I love the store, then fight for their right NOT to have to compromise their religious beliefs and be forced to buy healthcare that will force them to pay for something that has the potential to do harm to an unborn child. I commend them for standing their ground. You should do the same. I don’t want the store to close. I don’t want people to lose their jobs. No one EVER should be forced to make this decision. I would think you can understand that. Choose your battles wisely, Erika, and fight for what is right not for what is popular.

          With all that being said, I just want to comment about one more thing. The fact that a “morning after” pill is even needed just shows the moral decline of this country! I don’t understand how a woman can be so irresponsible as to have unprotected sex without considering the consequences. Not only could she or her date get a STD, she takes the risk of getting pregnant. Is this the moral turpitude that we have resigned ourselves to? And because a woman has unprotected sex, insurance needs to cover her morning after pill or abortion if she so desires? Really? And businesses should have to pay for this? Also, men who feel it is cool to have sex with as many women as possible are just evil and destructive. Their moral compass has long since broken and they just don’t care. That is why we have children growing up with no real sense of direction. What a disgusting shame. The biggest shame is that people just think this is all okay and good. Nobody is offended anymore.

    2. Mike Thomann

      @Rosie, LOL you make no sense at all; I would have to attribute your post to total lack of intelligence and the inability to comprehend anything you’ve read here. What a pathetic life your’s must be.

    3. Patrice

      Rosie I don’t see anything in this discourse that is ramming Christianity down anyone’s throat. No evidence at all but just stating scriptural fact.

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    I apologize, but I think you took my comment as disagreement, when I was actually applauding your unwavering faith, and agreeing that Hobby Lobby should not have to compromise their beliefs for the sake of a government-mandated program. I myself pointed out the disparity between the acknowledgement of Muslim beliefs and the lack of acknowledgement of those of Christians, not only within the government sector, but also amongst the general public. It’s discriminatory to allow one group of followers exemption and to not offer the same to others, when the beliefs and moral standing surrounding this issue are one and the same. Perhaps I just misinterpreted the context, but my explanations were more geared toward Mr. Green’s comments rather than your own, where he stated, “A new government healthcare mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don’t pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don’t cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs.” I felt that at the time of this writing, he may not have had a thorough understanding of these medications, as he clearly stated that he believed they were “abortion-causing drugs.”
    With that being said, as a health care professional, I do have to disagree with you on one point, regarding the potential adverse health effects to the fertilized egg by emergency contraceptive measures. As you clearly already know (but others, including Mr. Green, may not), estrogen/progesterone birth control pills and similar emergency contraceptives mimic your body’s natural hormones as released during early pregnancy. They do nothing more than put a woman’s body in what is known as a “semi-pregnant state,” inhibiting the release of an egg for fertilization. Should the woman already have conceived, as I said, the hormones are no more harmful to a fertilized egg on its way to implantation than are a woman’s own natural hormones. Biologically speaking, if the emergency contraceptive is taken within that three to five day period as instructed, the egg will have just arrived at the uterine lining for implantation. As it has not yet attached itself to that blood vessel source, it would continue its process of cell division, relying solely on its electrogenic properties to selectively diffuse vital ions from the surrounding mucus into and out of the cell. Therefore, even if this highly similar synthetically derived hormone were, for whatever reason, found to be harmful later by the FDA, it would be metabolized in the WOMAN’S tissues, leaving the still-unattached egg cell, and the resulting baby, unharmed. (Of course, continuing to take these pills and/or abusing the emergency contraceptives in an attempt to cause an abortion or miscarriage on one’s own, while not only will NOT work, may do just as you say and present potential health risks for both the fetus and the mother, particularly within the second to third trimesters. Anybody who attempts to do this though deserves what’s coming to them). As for myself and “mitigating the evil” of this situation, I’m afraid as far as contraceptives go, there really is no evil to mitigate. I’m not pro-abortion by any means, but I am pro-contraception, and feel that all PREVENTATIVE measures should be taken PRIOR to conception. Should a woman’s contraception fail (the condom breaks), or should she be forced into non-consensual unprotected intercourse, then absolutely! Use those emergency contraceptives and prevent ovulation from even occurring! But if you’re too late, and the egg has already been fertilized… just be thankful for the gift you have just received.

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      Hi Erika,

      Sorry if I misunderstood your comment. I just want to reiterate that my point in taking a stand with Hobby Lobby is that if they truly believe that the “morning after” pill violates their Christian beliefs, should they not have the option to not provide for that pill? I already made my point about how and why I feel like I do about this pill so I won’t belabor it. I am a registered Radiological Technologist and know all about the human body. I have no problem with regular contraception but this morning after pill is the impetus to moving us a little closer in the acceptance of abortion. Hobby Lobby, a Christian business provides good pay and benefits for their employees. They are better than most! So if they object to providing a pill which they feel has the possibility to harm a fertilized egg then should they have the right to not pay with their funds to provide for it? As I said before, they pay good wages and benefits and treat their employees well. Why is a business FORCED to do something in violation to what they believe is against the God they serve? That is my point and that is what I referred to in what I perceived you mitigating evil. There is no excuse in a free country that we can’t make the choice to do what is right. Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Why is that? Our President goes out of his way not to offend their beliefs in any way. What kind of bias should we permit, Erika? Is that okay with you? Because when they start limiting the rights of Christians, there is no stopping in taking away other rights. It is happening. That is the reason I am so passionate about this cause. Sure I am a Christian and I stand for the values that Christ taught, but I also should have the same rights afforded other religions. But we don’t. Christianity has been targeted by this administration. If Hobby Lobby holds to their values, they will close down instead of allowing their values to be compromised. If you believe that a business should have the right to choose not to pay for something like the morning after pill, then you should stand for that right. The morning after pill is not going to go away. It is here to stay. Women are always going to have the opportunity to use it. My point is that if I own a business, I should not have to pay for it. BUY YOUR OWN!

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    No problem Marianne, and you are justified in taking a stance against what you feel is morally unjust. Unfortunately, I think it was more the wording of the letter written by Mr. Green that caused me to take his objection out of context, and I wrongfully assumed that the applications of these medications were simply unknown and/or misunderstood. Following my last post though, I actually looked up the court proceedings to see what it was EXACTLY that Hobby Lobby was objecting to (as you’re right in stating he wouldn’t have taken it all the way to the Supreme Court if it was a simple medical misunderstanding or education barrier surrounding the morning after pill in particular). Upon reading the proceedings, I realized that it wasn’t that he felt these medicines actually caused abortions, but that, because these high doses of hormones have the ability to temporarily alter the surface cells of the uterine wall, implantation of a fertilized egg that may have otherwise attached and grown into a living being may be prohibited. Once conception occurs, he feels we should take every measure to sustain the life, not prevent it, and certain brands of contraception may cause its user to unwittingly do just that, without ever knowing fertilization of the egg had taken place; and for that I have no objections. Especially when I found out it’s not just these brands of emergency contraceptives the Green family objects to, but the payment for all intra-uterine devices, as well (including the common IUD brand Mirena used for every day contraceptive measures) due to the same possibility. I wish I had even considered that concept before writing such lengthy posts about how emergency contraceptives weren’t actually abortive measures, as some think they are. I guess Mr. Green is smarter than I gave him credit for 😉
    For the record, I think they will win the case. They already won one proceeding, and are not only making sincere Christian-based arguments advocating their beliefs, but are also citing legal proceedings which further corroborate the proposed violations of the owners’ rights under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

    Don’t worry. You’ll be shopping at Hobby Lobby for a long time.

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      Erika,

      I can’t thank you enough for researching and expounding on the Hobby Lobby matter. I guess I should have done it first. I just understood basically what they were opposing and I agree with them. As I said before, should not Christians have the same rights as Muslims in America? Mr. Green is an upstanding family man of character and of strong faith. There aren’t too many of those around. I mean how many people are willing to give up multi-million dollar businesses to obey Christ? He is definitely a cut above the rest. The man takes seriously the jobs that will be affected if he closes. Erika, I so pray that you are right and that Hobby Lobby will not close and that this matter will be resolved properly.

      I learn something everyday. You are so good at research and I hope you will be back to comment on other articles. Whether you are for or against the articles, at least you provide an intelligent argument for what you say. You also write quite well – did you ever think of writing a blog?

  9. Gina

    This is such an interesting blog. So if Mr Green objects to the healthcare initiative for using the morning after pill then he should have a policy in place that if any employee uses that benefit of that the insurance providers they will be immediately terminated. He may write that policy and force his employees to sign that they will not use the benefit contingent on employment. Sign over release of information of health care and then he can keep a watchful eye on making sure that if his employees use the benefit they will be terminated. It happened to a teacher who did not follow doctrine in teaching for a catholic school. She secretly had in-vitro fertilization which is against church doctrine and was terminated. I think that should be used in this instance
    . Have the benefit..just don’ use it..that would solve this silly matter

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      Hi Gina,

      I do not believe you can pick and choose what parts of Obamacare that you want to pray for. It is not that easy. And I doubt seriously that you can simply make a policy to not use a certain benefit or be fired. There would be lawsuits coming out of the wall against Hobby Lobby for denying them their full healthcare. You cannot do that or else this would not be a problem for Hobby Lobby. This is NOT a silly matter, my friend. When the laws of God are involved and your faith is being pushed, it is never a silly matter! As for that teacher who was fired for having IN-VITRO fertilization, she sued the diocese and won 170,000.00 in back pay and punitive wages. So you see, Gina, the issue is not as simple as you thought.

      1. Gina

        Marianne
        Companies do this all the time. They ask very personal questions on employment physicals contingent on employment ..like sexual history . STD history..Back problems.. pregnancies and folks who need jobs will answer these questions and sign this for the potential employer to review.. Desperate folks do desperate things , if you want a job then no one gets sued . If you wanna work there then do what you are told. Personally the teacher should have been fired for not following church doctrine. IN-VITRO is unnatural and is NOT the law of God but the interference of man and that should NEVER be paid by insurance companies or any employer especially my tax dollars. In fact it is playing God. If you can’t produce children in the “normal fashion” then I guess one should accept that reality and not have any. I consider that God’s will just like having children for any reason. Rape or any other form of conception if it is meant to be then meant to be . No interference for personal gain.

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          Gina, companies are not permitted to ask the questions you just said. Where are you getting this information? They are not even allowed to ask your age. You cannot ask about sexual history! Are you kidding me? You really believe they can ask that? As for in-vitro fertilization, I disagree with you that it is against God’s law. I am curious- What law of God are you breaking? Why do you say that? Many women could only get pregnant through in-vitro. The teacher who had it probably did not have it paid by insurance as a lot of them didn’t pay for this kind of surgery ( I know someone who had it and insurance wouldn’t pay )and definitely no tax dollars were used. Gina, you are all over the board here with your opinions. I am assuming you are Catholic as you keep mentioning church doctrine. You are free to think as you wish but I certainly don’t agree with you. No wonder you thought it was all just a”silly matter” because you assumed a lot of things that are not true.

        2. Patrice

          Gina I work in human resources and we are absolutely not allowed to ask the questions you cite. whatever company you state asks such questions are in big trouble if they are ever discovered. In fact you could sue them for asking such questions.

  10. Ann

    I have not read all of the comments but I just want to give an example of abortion, one that may not be thought about often. In regards to an innocent life lost, if a woman or girl is raped against her will what would you have her do ? Keep a child that may be a daily reminder of something so vicious it causes her to take her own life because she cannot handle the fact that she has brought something into this world that may turn out like its “father”? Or what about someone who gets pregnant but cannot support the baby and has it anyway and ends up getting abused and murdered ? Abortion is personal choice, not the choice of a whole community, the person who has an abortion has to live with that choice every day. Think about other peoples emotions, state of mind and quality of life before you go around telling people they have to keep something they may not be able to handle!

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      Hi Ann, while this article is not about abortion directly, I will answer your question.

      I have to say that your thinking on this matter is skewed at best. You are saying that IF a woman is raped, she should kill the innocent child because it could be a reminder of her attack which will cause her to take her own life?? Wow. That is a really far out scenario but let’s deal with that. If a woman is raped and she cannot bear the thoughts of raising a child of her attacker, that is perfectly understandable. Not everyone can do that and no one should judge a woman who can’t do it. There is, however, a recourse short of killing the child and that is to put it up for adoption! Do you know how many good families are looking for a child to adopt but have to go out of the country to get one? I am not speaking of an emergency procedure to take the child when the life of the mother is endangered. That is rare but it happens and nothing can be done about that.

      I have no idea whatsoever what your point is in your scenario about the woman who gets pregnant, can’t support the child and ends up getting abused and murdered? What does that mean? If a woman cannot support her child or doesn’t want the child, give the child up for adoption. Sometimes the most loving thing a woman can do is to give her child up to someone who can take better care of the child than she could. I have a stepson who was adopted and he is just an awesome blessing. I pray for the woman who was selfless enough to do the right thing because she was not able to take care of him. And with that reasoning, how about a woman who has a 3 or 4 year old child and is now out of a job and unable to support the child? Should she be allowed to kill him or her? Your reasoning escaped me, Ann.

      You say that abortion is a choice? What choice does the child have, Ann? If you had unprotected sex when you didn’t want a child or didn’t use contraceptive, is that the child’s fault or yours that he or she was conceived? I can’t believe all the selfish, self-centered people who think about themselves only. You have a choice to take the step to pretty much insure that you don’t get pregnant so if you don’t use the protection, the child should not die because of your irresponsibility! You will answer to God on that one, Ann, because believe it or not, HE is the Giver of life not you! As far as knowing people’s emotions or state of mind or quality of life, what does that have to do with anything as far as killing an innocent child. Is your mind going to be clearer and stronger if you know you killed a baby? If you are an emotional wreck, have a bad state of mind and no quality of life, yet you somehow had enough strength to have sex or if you were raped, give the child up for adoption. You are looking for every excuse in the book to justify your “right” to abort an innocent child. At the point of conception, that child has all the DNA it will ever have. The hair color, eye color, and much more are set as soon as the sperm and egg meet. But of course you don’t care about that, you only care that it is your body and you don’t want the bother of raising a child. In Jeremiah, God told the prophet, “BEFORE I formed you in the womb, I KNEW you.” That wasn’t just for Jeremiah, that is for all who are conceived in the womb.

      Ann, you have a right to believe whatever you want. I won’t be the one bringing judgment on you when you die. The bible says that there is a way that seems right to a man but in the end, it leads to death. You may think all you want that it is okay to kill an unborn child – that is your choice. I used to think that way too. I am ashamed of myself. But in the end, are you on the way to death with your thinking? I suggest you should find out.

  11. Kathy Ratino

    Nearly 90%of women use contraception during their childbearing years. Why the sudden obsession with contraception? Contraception doesn’t cause abortion. Period. To say otherwise is to lie, plain and simple. The president of Hobby Lobby has no medical training. He admits that the contraception covered by these plans is not abortion. This isn’t about abortion. It’s about hatred for the president, as evidenced by the hideous comment the president of the company made about the president’s insatiable appetite for the blood of innocent babies. This is beneath contempt, and it is far from Christian. Jesus would never, ever advocate this type of talk. If contraception were available when he lived, I’m sure he would have been in full support because he had empathy and compassion, and he said to LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS, not judge them and deny them what will improve the quality of their lives. This is all just a blatant attempt to make it seem that the Obama administration is persecuting Christians, when in fact he IS a Christian. It’s ludicrous, it’s shameful, and it’s most definitely NOT CHRISTIAN. (And of course, women use the pill for many medical conditions unrelated to contraception.)

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      Kathy,

      Did you read nothing of the comments I made? You are missing the point entirely. But first of all, show me the scripture about not judging that Jesus said. I already answered that misquote in another comment. That is NOT what Jesus said. You need to read the whole verse which it looks like you didn’t. You can try to make Jesus fit into your agenda, Kathy, saying that he would understand, he would be for it because he was so compassionate but obviously you need to read your Scripture to see how Jesus dealt with sin. I am not asking you to take my word for it. Take God at his word. Was he compassionate when they were buying and selling in the Temple? Did he rebuke the Pharisees constantly? You have no understanding of the holiness of God. Jesus said to love your neighbor. Do you think you are “loving” your neighbor if you go along with their sin knowing they will face the consequence some day. What kind of love is that? The bible tells us in 1 Timothy: “As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear” Also, As for Matthew 7:1, the context (verses 1-5) allows judging after you have first judged YOURSELF. Jesus did not make a blanket statement against judgment. He simply pointed out a RULE for judging. The word “judge” in different forms is found over 700 times in God’s word. One whole book of the Bible is titled “Judges” for it was written at a time when God raised up judges to lead His people. God EXPECTS His people to judge. In fact, you are sinning against God if you refuse to judge! Read your bible, Kathy, and we can reason from that.

      I said NOTHING about contraceptives. I took them for years. I find nothing in Scripture that indicates that it would be against the ways of God so unless someone shows me something I missed, I have no problem with contraceptives. So you judged me for something I didn’t say. As far as Hobby Lobby, you need to read Erika’s last comment. She researched what exactly the Green family was against and it is not what you are saying. He did oppose the morning after pill. That is far from a contraceptive. Look through my comments and read my opinion on them. You just want Jesus to be okay with anything anyone does as long as they feel good. It doesn’t work that way, Kathy.

      As far as the President goes, Kathy, I do NOT hate the President. I pray for him. I do hate what he has done to this country. As for the “insatiable appetite for the blood of innocent babies” that you quoted from Mr. Green, do you have any idea why he said that? Did you know that when Obama was a Senator that he voted 4 TIMES against giving medical treatment to a child that lived through an abortion!!! What about that is okay with you, Kathy? What about that is Christian? The child that LIVED through an abortion, was alive and breathing and yet he voted 4 times to NOT GIVE THE CHILD MEDICAL HELP! I get upset with people who condone evil. Do you know what you are saying? Did you know as President that Obama voted to give abortions with our tax dollars in other countries? Read up on it, Kathy. You are so angry with what I say, tell me if you are okay with what I just told you? Do you really think Jesus would be compassionate with someone who thinks that is okay?

      We have different opinions, Kathy. I did my research but I don’t think you did. I pray you do. You are free to believe and think whatever you want and yet Christians are being targeted for calling sin that is described in Scripture as sin. What a shame.

  12. Nicholas

    How can people say God isn’t for abortions, he’s been history’s most industrious. I mean I guess you can’t call him pro choice, because he never gives you one. You may ask, why would God kill unborn babies, they haven’t done anything to provoke him. But don’t you confuse God with Santa. (Hosea 13:16) The Lord only bothers to figure out if you’ve been naughty or nice, after he’s killed you. Which why he can point to a whole nation of children, and say to Moses “Go ahead a just kill all of them”. (Deuteronomy 2:33-36) The Lords wrath isn’t really known for its pin point targeting, which is why Israelites took to painting their doors with blood. That way, God would know they were Jews… And kill the other kid next door. The lesson we learn from this, your faith is a complete waste of time. He has no idea what faith you follow. You have to slaughter a lamb and remind him with blood on your door.
    God even shares his homemade recipe on how to make an abortion potion. Isn’t he good to us!?! (Numbers 5:15-22)
    So what does Jesus say about abortions? Well, you would guess it based by his American followers but he said as much about it as he did about gay marriage. Absolutely nothing! American Christians just love to talk to Jesus, they’d also listen to him but they don’t like to be interrupted. In fact, Christians are so unlikely to do anything Jesus asked, the Bible is history’s best example in reverse psychology. The only Americans ignore more than Jesus is their waist lines. Here are some examples.
    Jesus says don’t pray in public. So they pray in front of thousand, with mega watt speakers and filmed in HD to reach others in different states.
    Jesus said to give everything to the poor, of course he was poor. So Americans replied back, if we gave everything to the poor then we’d be poor. So we just skip a step and keep everything. Besides, it hard to be a capitalist and a Christian.
    Quick, what’s the big rule that Jesus said to do if your attack. Don’t attack back… We are Americans, not French. So are little loop hole is we won’t attack back… We’ll just attack first.
    Jesus also told his followers not to give unsolicited critiques. But Americans responded back that if God can have a judgement day, then so should we. But of course in America, everyday is judgment day!
    For all the talk about marriage in America, you would think God talked allot about it… He didn’t. Other than don’t divorce and in heaven we call remarriage adultery.
    Congratulations America, are you trying to make Jesus cry.
    You know, if you find yourself not doing anything your God asked… Maybe you picked the wrong one.

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      Marianne Bernard

      Nicholas,

      I don’t know where to start with you as you have completely perverted the Scriptures and twisted what Christ said to fit some argument you are trying to make. In fact, I don’t understand what point you are trying to make as you are all over the board with ridiculousness. I am sure that I am casting pearls before swine because you will not know what to do with the truth and will probably twist it but I will make an attempt to explain.

      You say God doesn’t give you a choice. What are you basing that statement on? The truth is that God gives everyone free will to make their own choices. The ones who use that free will to follow Christ are the ones who will be with him in heaven. YOU HAVE A CHOICE.

      As far as Deuteronomy 2 which you quoted, God gave the Israelites the victory over their enemies. What is your problem with that? Because there were children killed also? Do you understand that during those times, the children would grow up and come back as a stronger enemy against the Israelites. God gave them all over to Moses to defeat. You have a problem with that? You forget that God knows the future and he knew what would happen if they did not destroy them all. You, however, feel you know more than God.

      As far as God having his people put the blood of a lamb on their doorpost so that the Angel of death would pass over them, I am sure you are not foolish enough to think that God wouldn’t know otherwise who were the Jews. Maybe you are that foolish. The act of putting the blood of the lamb over their doorpost was a precursor to the Messiah, the Lamb of the World, Jesus Christ, who would come and save them from their sins. It was an act of obedience to do as God said for just as he saved them from the Angel of death, he would save them and those others who would receive Christ as Lord and Savior from eternal death.

      As far as Jesus saying nothing against abortion and homosexuality and marriage between a man and a woman only, you could NOT be more wrong! The bible, the word of God is divinely inspired. God used men to write what he gave them thoughts to write. Isaiah foretold of the Messiah to come 1500 years before it happened and explained in detail what would occur. How did Isaiah know? Because he wrote under the inspiration of God’s Spirit. The bible also tells us that JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD! He is author behind the Scriptures. Jesus said in Matthew 19 “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and shall hold fast to his wife the two shall become one flesh.” Homosexuality is condemned all through the Old and New Testament under the inspiration of God. Jesus Christ IS GOD! Read Romans chapter 1 to know what God thinks about homosexuality.

      Jesus did NOT make a blanket statement for people to give everything to the poor. Once again you twisted a verse from Scripture. He told the rich young ruler to sell what he had and give it to the poor and follow him. Jesus had nothing against his people being rich. Moses was rich, Abraham was rich, David was rich, Solomon was rich and many others of God’s people were rich and he didn’t tell them to give it all up. HOWEVER, in the case of the rich young ruler, he had an issue with money. He made money his god and honored it over the true God. In that case, Jesus told him to give it up. You don’t have an understanding of the Scriptures because you think you know it all so no one is going to tell you. Why don’t you study and see what happens! You might learn something.

      Jesus wasn’t telling people not to pray in public! He was talking about the Pharisees who were grandstanding with their prayers to make people think they were holy! You foolishly took that out of context. Just like you missing the point of Jesus saying to “turn the other cheek”. He NEVER said don’t attack if you are attacked. In fact, did he not tell his disciples to take a sword with them? Turning the other cheek is forgiving an offense done to you. It does not mean that you stand there while someone attacks you. I won’t even go into the teaching because you will not listen anyway.

      I pointed out most of the errors of your understanding of Scripture. You are like the perishing world. You want to see only what you want to see. You want to hear only what tickles your ear. That is all your choice. Your free will. If you do not care about the ways of God, continue on in your mockery but I assure you, God will NOT be mocked. You will pay for it, Nicholas. You can laugh it all off but one day your knee will bow when Christ returns. I am certain that you will wish you didn’t play games with the holy word of God. It will, unfortunately,be too late for you then.

      1. Gordon King

        Marianne you are so right. Nicholas is twisting and spinning the gospel to support his own agenda.

        Remember, if you do not have the Holy Spirit of God, scriptures do not make any sense.

        God Bless!

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          Marianne Bernard

          You are exactly right, Gordon. Those who are not truly seeking the truth of Jesus Christ, they will only see what they want to see. I pray that God will open the eyes of those who visit here and that they will know the truth and be changed by the power of Christ.

  13. Amanda Jeanneice Walter

    The last time I checked, it is our right as Americans to freedom of religion.
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
    To me, that means that the government should stay out of any matters of religion, including- but not limited to- forcing any individual (or in this case, company) to be forced to offer healthcare plans that provide something that is believed to conflict with the beliefs of the founders of the company.

    Second, I believe that the government has no room in mandating what kind of insurance individuals carry or companies offer. If you don’t want insurance, pay full medical costs. That’s how I did it for a while. However, since the government is involved, we, as taxpayers, are ALL now being forced to pay for the healthcare of others. Including procedures that we deem morally wrong.

    I was raised on Christian beliefs and consider myself to be a Christian, although I am not a shining example of what a Christian should be, but I have surrendered my life to Jesus Christ and will stand for what I believe in. Which is no different than what Mr. Green has done.

    I commend him for his unwavering devotion to his faith. We need more of that in this country.

    On another note, this whole discussion has definitely made me look at my own relationship with Christ and strengthen it before I call anyone a sinner.

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      Marianne Bernard

      Amanda, I appreciate your comment and understand your point. However, when you said you are not going to call anyone a sinner, I don’t understand what your point is. Amanda, we are ALL sinners. Everyone one of us was born a sinner and for that reason we need a Savior. As far as judging, Jesus said we are to judge rightly. In other words, your opinion doesn’t matter. The word of God tells us what is sin and how God deals with it. If I am a continuous liar or thief, I must repent and use the power of Christ in me to not so those sins again. I may fall again but I should not continue with a lifestyle of stealing and lying. If I continue lying and continue stealing then I already stand condemned the bible says. In fact, God’s word tells me that if I continue in my sin as I did before I claimed I was saved, I will not be in heaven! We all are sinners but Christ came to set us free from the bondage of sin and give us power over sin. Those who don’t use that power and continue to sin, are sentencing themselves to destruction. If you don’t want to offend anyone that you care about and who is living a lifestyle of sin, you are not helping them. It is not about you judging by your standards. It is applying the bible to their sin. I am amazed at those who would rather watch their loved one go to hell rather than risk offending them by trying to reason with them from God’s word. That is your choice, Amanda. This world is growing darker as the enemy blinds people to their sin. It growing darker because good people don’t want to say anything, They are afraid. Jesus said we are shine his light to the lost not be afraid of what they might think. It is not about you. It about the kingdom of Christ.

  14. Dalia

    Hobby Lobby is more expensive then Michael’s .So I don’t shop at Hobby Lobby! Hobby Lobby has more money then any other store. So get your employee’s health insurance. I bet you are covered.

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      Marianne Bernard

      Dalia, Michaels has nowhere near the things that Hobby Lobby has. Shop where you want, that is not the point I am making. And you obviously do not know what you are talking about when it comes to health insurance because not only does Hobby Lobby pay at the top salary range for its employees, they get excellent health benefits. What is your problem? Because Hobby Lobby has a problem with the new obamacare insurance which has the morning after pill for one thing that compromises his faith and the Green family doesn’t want to have to buy into that, you are complaining? Shame on you, Dalia, Your thinking is what is taking this country down! Nothing is good enough for you!

  15. Brie

    My goodness. How I hate religion. I believe in god but I DO NOT let a book that could’ve been made up or changed over time tell me what to believe in or how I should live my life. Religion is just evil. People quit following and get to know god spiritually. Good job for hobby lobby standing up for their beliefs but who cares. There’s far more horrible things out in the world. If they close down then oh well. More business for michaels!

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      Marianne Bernard

      Brie, You are an example of the Proverb that says, “There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end, it leads to death”. Are you kidding me? The bible is JUST A BOOK???? You are deceived and I pray that you seek the truth in that BOOK because you are on the wrong path. You are also another self-centered selfish person who says that no big loss if Hobby Lobby closes. You don’t care because you don’t have a job there and the many thousands of jobs lost doesn’t faze you at all. I can sure tell that you don’t read the bible and that you don’t know the God you think you believe in. I can’t save you Brie. If you want to go on believing all those lies about Scripture then that is your choice. When Jesus walked on the earth, they had the Torah, the first 5 books of the bible. The Torah went back over 1500 years before Jesus came to earth and yet JESUS QUOTED FROM THE SCRIPTURES! He didn’t say that maybe something or someone changed the Scripture, he KNEW it was truth because He is the Author of the entire bible. I can tell you without reservation that you are a fool. You bought into the devil’s lie that says Jesus loves you and everything is okay even if you do things your way. Jesus said there would be many people like you. The will cry out, “Lord, Lord” when they face him but he will tell them to be gone because he never knew them. They thought like you that they could believe whatever they want, do a few good works, help a few people and be saved. They were never surrendered to Christ! They went to hell.

      Keep believing the lie, Brie. That is your choice but you will never have victory because surrendering to Christ is the ONLY way.

  16. Kyle Henderson

    Marianne, I just want to first thank God that he has worked so much with you, and gave you the strength to open your ears and eyes to wisdom and truth from God. With unbelievers, there is no respect or understanding of being able to answer so many questions that can possibly stray you from the truth from God. I want to let You know that every answer and statement you have made is truth and straight from God. Aside from the argument on hand, all these posts have been works of evil spirits trying to tempt and catch you giving a wrong answer like the spies sent to ask Jesus questions and catch him say something wrong. So I want to say praise God for your wisdom and forget about all these people that have hard hearts against what you have been saying, I want to thank you because a lot of the information you have been trying to give everyone has taught me even more and made my Faith stronger in my walk with Christ. So thank you and praise God for his Love, Truth, Wisdom, and Salvation. God Bless You

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      Marianne Bernard

      Hi Kyle,

      May I first say that you have truly blessed me today. It is so good to know that there are believers like you who know the truth and aren’t afraid to say it. I have compassion for these people who are bringing these foolish arguments. They have no idea that they are being blinded and used by the enemy of their soul. We are told in Scripture that in the last days the hearts of most will grow cold as lawlessness increases. That is what I am seeing. The Prophet Daniel saw a vision of these days when truth would be thrown to the ground. We are living in those days. It breaks my heart that people have become self-centered and self-serving and care nothing except what affects them. I am also troubled by those who would rather remain silent in the face of sin rather than risk offending someone. They rely on the twisted misinterpretation of the judge not lest you be judged verse from Matthew 7. They do not seek God’s help to understand what Christ was saying because most of them leave off the end of that verse to fit their agenda! These are sad times, Kyle, and it won’t be getting better. The good news is that Christ will be returning soon. He will not let this evil go on forever. I pray that you stay focused and guarded in your faith. You are a cut above the rest. I will keep you in prayer. God bless you, Kyle. Keep standing for the truth.

  17. Rose Rankin

    I understand all that and I totally agree but wouldn’t it be more logical to keep people working and just not take the medicine? We don’t have to take anything or accept any medical help if we don’t want it. So take the insurance and refuse the meds and keep people working.

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      Marianne Bernard

      Hi Rose, no it would not be more logical to just give in to evil. You can never be blessed if you are willing to compromise on the truth! Rose, if the Greens feel, as I do, that the morning-after pill may have harmful effects on the fetus in the event that a woman became pregnant, this goes against their Christian beliefs so why should they be forced to compromise their faith? Have you no idea that when you compromise on the little things, you will one day be forced to compromise on the bigger things. It has been said that silence in the face of evil is evil itself! Evil has its start when you know the truth and do nothing, or worse yet, compromise instead! You need to take a stand, Rose. You have to decide who you are going to obey – the laws of God or the evil of man. There is no middle ground. But as I said before, other religions are given a pass on obamacare with no penalty and no pressure. Why are Christians always asked to compromise or be labeled “intolerant”? Rose, you are not seeing the big picture. Choose to walk in truth or accept a lie.

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